Pre-April 2009 posts
Posted Thursday, April 2, 2009 11:43 AM
07/21/08 09:28 AM #1 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Of the people and events that made a positive difference in my life, Project Prometheus is certainly on the list. Thanks to my friends for letting me talk them into setting up this site and initiating a conversation. I hope that interesting and wonderful connections and collaborative projects will emerge from our meetings here.

07/21/08 11:43 AM #2 EDIT DELETE

Marty Browne

OK Cabe! Good work....I love the picture.


07/21/08 08:25 PM #3 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

It's funny, until Stacey mentioned Project Prometheus to me while trying to figure out our past connection (with nothing more to go on than an old photo and a clue about initials), I hadn't thought about the program for years and years. Of course, in the 12 years after my participation, among other things, I shook the hand of Bobby Kennedy a week before he was shot; was drafted three (yes, three) times during the Vietnam era, but slipped out of their grasp each time; got beat up and thrown out of a car while hitchhiking, ingested significant quantities of substances designed to alter dopamine and/or serotonin levels, saw both Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison before they croaked, met my future wife (and lifelong partner in crime) while a nominal dormitory houseparent in her dorm (my wife at the time was the actual dorm houseparent); climbed in Yosemite and scaled all of the major Cascade peaks in OR and CA; hiked naked in Death Valley for three days (well, we did wear shoes and hats); found a place to live in Colorado by following shooting stars; joined a Naturist club; broke down on deserted highways in Idaho, Utah, Nevada and New Mexico; drove a car with a cracked piston from Denver to San Francisco and back (it died 8 blocks from home); and legally changed my name.

So maybe the PP memories were just crowded out by being young and hungry for experience and living in notably interesting times. But this reconnection with the local chapter of PP has gotten me thinking about what Bob Casebeer's ultimate vision of the program was. I remember chatting with him in his office six or seven years later, and he said he was hoping to develop a core group of what he termed "technocrats". He was using the term in the same vein that one would say "bureaucrats", and my understanding at the time was that he was trying to stimulate the people who would become the brains behind various governmental and private sector programs, but not the actual politicians or CEOs. The "idea people", I guess, to phrase it more succinctly.

What do you think?

07/22/08 02:34 PM #4 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Intelligence without the heart can become cold, cynical, even destructive. The heart without intelligence can become naive, sappy, mindlessly sentimental. (Or to use Buddhist terms--because you knew I couldn't resist bringing religion into it--both the wisdom side and the compassion side are necessary.) At least some of the Greeks knew this. How can idea people cultivate both sides? Is it possible to support/create higher (in the best sense) education today? These are some of the thoughts raised for me by Cabe's post. (Thanks, Cabe.)

07/23/08 07:13 PM #5 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

The time I’ve spent with smart young people has led me to the opinion that, while countless programs and plans have been developed for intelligent kids, one of the best things we can offer them is time with others like themselves with whom to share and learn, and intelligent adults to teach, guide, and open doors for them. That’s what we had at Project Prometheus. It’s sad that that is so rare in our present system, but it sure does feel good when it happens!

07/24/08 12:54 AM #6 EDIT DELETE

Larry Mitchell

Karen is exactly right. Meeting others like ourselves gives reassurance that we were meant to be who we are. There is no greater comfort.
Once we accept ourselves, we can accept mentors.

07/28/08 03:55 PM #7 EDIT DELETE

Kaye McDonald


I have read your messages with interest and feel warmly toward the people you have become. I'm writing this just to let you know that although I've enjoyed learning about this forum for exchange of ideas and about your lives thus far, I don't feel I'm in a good position to share in it.

I've just last week chosen to exit the war of words that law seems to come down to too often, and I feel like I've just ended an intense, 20-year conversation. It's left me sort of exhausted. I'm looking forward to saying damn little for the next few months, at least. I want to speak in paint or by playing the piano or by raising flowers. Anything but words.

That said, it is likely that I'll see most of you at Marty's house this weekend. I look forward to that. I may or may not bring Janet--she is still engaged in the war of words I spoke about, so may have to work. Anyway, a sincere thanks for thinking about me and sharing so many wonderful thoughts, feelings, and wonderful tidbits.


08/02/08 07:35 AM #8 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

I'm glad we found you, Kris, and that you joined us here so quickly. It really does feel kind of like reconnecting with a bunch of long-lost cousins. I like it!

08/05/08 12:41 PM #9 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

Hi everyone

this is jantha. I was just browsing this site and noticed that the reunion thing is marked "off" for Project Prometheus. I realize it is not a formal reunion for that group, but wonder if marking "on" in the space in the reunion planner section of this site might attract more prometheans. I think I will give it a try. It probably won't make a difference, given this site is a closed loop of sorts, but I think it will at least lend a more optimisic air to the gathering...

08/05/08 01:10 PM #10 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

Hi, Jantha! Good point. Do you think we should list our Saturday breakfast as our 40th reunion? Or would it be better to put it in an announcement? I'm looking forward to meeting you in a few days.

08/05/08 02:57 PM #11 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Thanks, Jantha. I went to the 40 year reunion area and registered, just for the heck of it. I have no idea what happens to the information I just submitted. Does it go to Cabe, our administrator?

08/09/08 07:51 PM #12 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

It was very good to have time with all of you at the breakfast this morning. As usual for social events, I feel that I didn't get enough time with anyone, but I loved seeing each of you. I wish we could get together often and have ongoing conversations.

08/13/08 11:17 AM #13 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

[Jantha]: It was great to meet all of you at the reunion Friday night. I wish I could have stayed longer at the restaurant afterwards, but I had a root canal the previous wednesday and apparently they left a big hole in the temporary crown which led to a systemic infection that left me unnaturally tired. Hence, my need to leave at the early hour of ten. I enjoyed your company though. The breakfast of champions...oh wait I guess you are prometheans!...was wonderful!!! The food was fantastic and thanks to all who pulled it together. Although I am not a promethean, I was a participant in the SOC Living-Learning program in 1972, where I met Cabe almost 36 years ago, just two weeks after leaving home in the bay area at the age of 17. I felt a bolt of blue lightening struck my heart when our eyes first met..but I digress! It's great to see him so excited about this project. thanks for including me guys.

08/13/08 05:51 PM #14 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

It was wonderful to see everybody. As Graham Wilson mentioned to me, it's a pleasure to converse with people who understand the habit of carrying a dictionary in the car. Thanks for your nice response to my rocky bracelets and for all the good food. I hope we'll find ways to either get together occasionally or collaborate on projects or whatever works for us.

08/18/08 04:39 PM #15 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Hey! Welcome to the site to the most recent folks who have found us. Great to hear from you. Tell your friends too!

08/23/08 08:54 PM #16 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

I'm hoping that we can let each other know, on this site, when any of us who are inclined to get together will be traveling to an area where other Prometheans might be. That way we can have little gatherings whenever it works out, and others who are nearby can join in, too. Does that sound good?

09/10/08 01:19 AM #17 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

So I’ve been thinking about Chris Houghton’s profile query about how many of us have become “technocrats” (cf. my 7/21 post). Of course, I have to assume that my memory of the 1972 conversation with Bob is at least generally accurate, since he makes no allusion at all to the term in his reflections on PP, here on the site. In any case, if you consider “idea people” to include those whose livelihoods are strongly or wholly dependent on conceptualization, then a remarkable number of us actually do fit the definition. Of the 25 non-faculty Prometheans that have stated a profession in their profiles to date, five are physicians or psychologists, four are academics, three are systems or software engineers, three are attorneys, and one each is a scientist, planner, editor, student or writer. That’s a very high percentage of idea-oriented professions, certainly significantly higher than the general population. In my opinion, that indicates that the program was a resounding success by Bob’s implied metrics, and that as a group we have had a commendably positive effect on society.

09/12/08 06:26 PM #18 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Cabe, I rather like your analysis and your assumed definition of technocrat (and I believe your memory is correct--my father seems to remember a similar comment by Casebeer). I was having some doubts, but hey, I don't need to think negatively. Certainly most of have good recollections of PP having served us well, and perhaps we in turn have served better than I had been thinking (holding too high a standard in my mind?).

09/20/08 11:49 AM #19 EDIT DELETE

Christine Howitt

Finally, I would have thought we "technocrats" would have come up with this site the first week of the world wide web. LOL. I honestly thought I must have been the most under-achieving of the PP bunch. Glad to see we are not under-achieving at all, but maybe different-achieving.

My work history included a stint at home depot where I was in the plumbing department. I wasn't the person you wanted to ask about building codes or how to install a toilet, but when it came to fitting pieces of things together to accomplish something, I was the go-to person. One case comes to mind: Two younger guys, going to the U of Calgary, came in and were buying some plastic tubing and hanging around the small brass fittings. They were trying to build a bong. (This wasn't in the 60's, just about 5 years ago.) That was a hoot, and we were successful in the attempt. No, I did not partake Surprised) ... Now, I use the same inquisitive nature to find out what really is bugging a client and turn around encounters from cancelling to loyalty.

The skills gleaned from PP for a changing world have served me well. But were they innate, and just prodded into action a little earlier than what might otherwise have happened?

09/21/08 06:15 AM #20 EDIT DELETE

Larry Mitchell

I can’t think of myself as a sleeper cell technocrat who missed his wakeup call. I have never felt less alone or more useful. Something went right.

09/30/08 05:38 AM #21 EDIT DELETE

Larry Mitchell

Several Prometheans have found ourselves in a conversation about learning, teaching and education –especially public education. One person suggested I bring my questions to this larger forum.
Let me ask: What have you experienced, as parents, teachers and later-life students? What has changed since we were in Prometheus?
What fails? What works? What can be done?

10/11/08 07:53 AM #22 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

When my oldest daughter, Eva, was in school, there was very little available, compared to what we Prometheans had, for more intelligent or advanced learners. Crater High School put together a TAG program that many of us were excited about, but which turned out to be disappointing. Seven years later, my younger daughter found even less available. Six years after that, my son's description of the "Gifted Program" was: "Twice a year you go to a meeting and get a doughnut." By that time Eva's experience seemed enviable. Appropriate education for the highly intelligent is mandated in Oregon, but there are insufficient or nonexistent funds for it in most schools.

The best thing I could figure out to do about the situation was to volunteer in the schools. I provided a TAG program in the local elementary school, did special programs at other levels, and met regularly with a group of high school students outside the school. At this point, I have so little free time that I'm not doing any of that, but I may be able to again, later.

I think the most important part of any TAG program is getting the students together, so they can interact with each other, and providing intelligent adults for them to know. Any of us can help with that, as mentors, organizers of book or discussion groups, etc. My experience is that school administrators and teachers are usually open to, and appreciative of this kind of help.

10/16/08 06:52 AM #23 EDIT DELETE

Jane Belland Karwoski

Hi you guys! I just discovered the Forum.
Cabe, it would help so much if on the member list (with the little icons for picture, etc.) we could have the year of Promethean attendance. That way I could be sure of who I have really forgotten vs. who I didn't meet to begin with! (Looking for any way to lighten my cognitive load in these days of mental energy shortage.)

10/25/08 03:22 PM #24 EDIT DELETE

Jantha Silverhame

I want to add my thanks to Stacey for the bracelets, albeit belated! I have been absent from this forum due to a lot of family concerns...and trying to find my place in this place!!! I admit I caused the site administrator a bit of frustration (totally unintended) when he suggested I get on the site and post my profile and I went about it in my usual "intuitive" manner. While this approach often succeeds well in other areas of life, in the technology arena, I find it often has totally unexpected results!!!! Sometimes it works brilliantly, producing a sort of quantum leap effect with the computer. Other times, it turns bitterly destructive (ala HAL) as it did in this case, where Cabe's entire profile was wiped out and replaced with mine! Silly computer. I apologize to members of the forum for any confusion that may have resulted from my name and profile being associated with Cabe's pictures. As for carrying dictionaries in cars..well, I might carry one to remind myself of once familiar language I seldom or never encounter in my travels, and want to retain for possible (if unlikely) future use. I might want to impress the locals with big words, but probably wouldn't need the dictionary for that, depending on how long I had been on the road. I might want to stay in my car and pretend I was conversing with peers, but that might be approaching psychosis. But I think the main reasons I would carry a dictionary would have to be practical.

1. As a step stool. -They are thick (not to be confused with dense). I am short.

2. Firestarting material.-The extremely thin pages would make excellent kindling. You might even be able to use the sun shining through a bit of broken glass, or reflecting off a mirror method to get a spark and start a fire with pages that thin.

3. Handy Weapon.- No need to conceal this weighty tome. Carry it anywhere and have in hand a heavy object to subdue an attacker.

These are just off the top of my head. I am sure there are a lot more practical uses for dictionaries though! In fact, I think I will start carrying one. Thanks!

10/25/08 04:23 PM #25 EDIT DELETE

Jantha Silverhame

Please inform me if I am posting information in the wrong place! I am structurally challenged. Another ADHD kid. Developmentally abled. I like to say that people with ADD just tend to add things up differently. Not necessarily the wrong answer, just different. Anyway, to continue with the dictionary discussion, which I no doubt took out of context, and am posting in the wrong place to boot, nonetheless...I persist

4. Erudite origami napkins.

5. Obviously, a discreet supply of toilet paper.

6. Cootie-Catchers

10/29/08 03:21 PM #26 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Dictionaries in the car.....that was one of Graham Wilson's comments at our mini-reunion in Hawthorne Park. What a pleasure that was. Anybody else up for organizing some kind of gathering next summer perhaps?

10/29/08 10:02 PM #27 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

At the risk of denunciation for unseemly partiality, I have to say that I found your commentary regarding dictionary transport to be hilarious, Jantha. It brought a touch of whimsicality to the Forum, which is always a good antidote to over-ponderous exposition, in which I often indulge, admittedly. Plus, it got me thinking about the practice less abstractly than I had originally. I mean, on the surface, it sounds reasonable to keep a dictionary in the trunk. But when you delve a little deeper, you realize that the thing is actually pretty worthless for its normal use while in transit. You'd have to pull off the road, retrieve the tome, look up your word, maybe jot down a note, and then resume your journey. Depending on how many words came to mind while driving, this could inordinately prolong your trip. Then, too, you have to wonder how you would encounter a word that you didn't know the meaning of while driving. From road signs? Radio announcers? Erudite companions? It would probably be much easier to jot down the relatively few unknown words you might encounter from those sources and look them up later. Of course, if you are traveling to a place where you intend to read weighty novels, and you know there will not be a dictionary handy there, then it could make sense to carry your own. Still, on balance, it seems like the notation method, with later lookup, would be suitable for most scenarios, and also avoids the inevitable deterioration of your treasured book from jostling around in the truck with your tire jack, spare motor oil, old shoes and emergency flares, under conditions of uncontrolled humidity, temperature extremes, dust and spilled beverages. Frankly, I think your ideas about the activity are eminently more sensible and useful.

10/29/08 11:07 PM #28 EDIT DELETE

Jantha Silverhame

My point exactly, Cabe. It seems highly unlikely that one would encounter any words in highway travel, coffee shops along the way, and the companions one might meet, that would require the dictionary. So, unless one were to use it to remind themself of words they once knew, it might seem useless as a source of relevant information. As I said, you might be able to impress a few people by using some big words, but most likely they would see right through you and laugh at you as soon as you left their company, which you would deserve for being so presumptuous! So, I was left with the more immediate, practical reasons for carrying such a book in one's car.







I was struck by Stacey's response to Cabe's first posting. It occurred to me that when we met, I probably fell into the category of a person with a lot of heart but little intelligence, at least according to her definition. That was certainly the opinion of friends and family on both sides without exception!!! Interesting to ponder.

11/26/08 05:10 PM #29 EDIT DELETE

Jane Belland Karwoski

I marvel at y'all missing the obvious--the dictionary in the glove compartment is to be consulted when you are PARKING!!! Just don't forget to include a flashlight for that moment when you and your "fiance" simply must find just the right word to express the depth of your devotion. (My serious relationships have always been eminently cerebral, haven't yours??!!! Smile

The fact that we are child-free is sheer coincidence, by the way.

12/02/08 10:30 PM #30 EDIT DELETE

Jantha Silverhame

I really have to ponder that! Am I to deduce that serious relationships (read cerebral) are primarily of the mind and not the body? Or that the dictionary in the glove compartment is a really good form of birth control? Or that cerebral people tend to take themselves seriously, so instead of procreating, they are looking up words in the dictionary...?? I have heard people argue that not having children is the "conscious" choice, considering overpopulation and all..
I have also heard people argue that only the dumb people in the world are procreating, perpetuating the problem of unconsciousness. I know there weren't enough words in that dictionary to placate that cop...all he wanted was my registration. Unfortunately, the damn thing took up all the room in the glove compartment! Ideas can be a really good thing as long as you don't get too stuck on them...Like, thinking, "man, I don't want to contribute to overpopulating this planet and global warming and consumerism and all those ignorant people having kids and enjoying life day to day , I have more important things to do!"

It's a funny world. I don't have any children! Too busy thinking I guess!

12/03/08 05:54 AM #31 EDIT DELETE

Jane Belland Karwoski

Anna Quindlen and her husband decided the reason they had created children was to share the wonder of fireflies. That's a good reason, I think.

The ideal world is where any child can count on any adult of the species to help them out, to take care of them when need arises. Kind of how I feel about motorcyclists on the road! I 'take care of them' because I know they are vulnerable.

In the past few years I have come to appreciate how much the next generation contributes to people's hope of some kind of immortality, some way of continuing to exist and perhaps make a difference in this world. We continue to be a part of the story of humanity by sending our genome into the future to live beyond our personal lifetime.

01/10/09 07:57 PM #32 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

At the Southern Oregon Mensa get-together last night, we were discussing the umame taste. Last month, I'd talked with one of the guys, a local physician, about it, and told him I couldn't understand how so many people could be allergic to monosodium glutamate, given the fact that we have sensors for glutamates on our tongues. He said that those sensitivities are a myth, and that any migraines attributed to msg are really caused by something else. I don't know if he's right, and I know that lots of people would passionately disagree with him, but I'm curious. He said it occurs naturally in many fish, miso, and, notably, in human breast milk. He brought some pure msg last night, and passed it around. Some people wouldn't try it, but many of us did. People had different reactions. One person couldn't taste it at all. Someone thought it tasted fishy. Somebody else disliked it. To me, it tasted rich and proteiny, like the background of a rich soup stock.

Do any of you have any thoughts or experience concerning umame and/or msg?

01/12/09 07:15 AM #33 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

The umame thing is interesting. I've heard that MSG can be a migraine trigger for some people and not for others (doesn't seem to be for me, and I do get migraines). Sensory reactions in general are intriguing. How can some people be allergic to cat dander, for example, and others not at all? People (and animals) do apparently have differing chemical reactions in the body to various substances, but what makes one body react one way and another body react a different way? (I'm mixing allergies, sensitivities, tastes, etc. here, but I leave the question anyway.)

01/28/09 02:12 PM #34 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

I'm wondering how many people look at this forum, and whether it's a good way to communicate with the group. Would anyone who reads this please respond here? That should give us some idea of how many are paying attention to this.



02/04/09 12:59 AM #35 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

Well, I still check in here every couple of days or so, but then I guess that would sort of be my job Smile. Our software developer ( continues to say that threaded messages for the Forum are imminent, and I'm hoping that upgrade will create a more interesting and accessible Forum, hopefully something like the WELL Linked text. used to be.

02/04/09 08:17 AM #36 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

I finally just got around to reading Karen's message. I haven't been checking the forum very often (obviously).

02/04/09 07:39 PM #37 EDIT DELETE

Wayne Harger

Any DUers?

02/04/09 07:52 PM #38 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

OK, Wayne, I give. I went to and found a lot of possibilities, but I don't think you're referring to Drug Users, Depleted Uranium, Ducks Unlimited, Disk Utility, Duodenal Ulcer, Documentation Unit or Diagnosis Undetermined. Please advise.

02/04/09 08:03 PM #39 EDIT DELETE

Wayne Harger was intended. Others may apply.

02/08/09 12:44 PM #40 EDIT DELETE

Karen Sublette

Oh, good! After checking for several days, I just figured no one was interested in using the forum, and didn't look again until today. At least a few of us are peeking in here, to see what's going on.

I'm looking forward to the new, improved, threaded forum that Cabe mentioned. That should make it easier to have different conversations here. Wayne, you could have a whole DU thread, if you want. When more is going on, those interested in communicating will check and respond more often, and it should be more fun!

02/28/09 04:53 PM #41 EDIT DELETE

Wayne Harger

I'm in. Standing by for PP 2.0

03/11/09 09:54 PM #42 EDIT DELETE

Robert L. Casebeer [Faculty]

Bob Casebeer, here.
I have written three responses to some of the forum messages, and each time, I accidentally hit outside the frame and the message disappears into the digital ether.
So I will start for the fourth time and attempt to confine my feverish right hand.
Regarding technocratic concepts. I wrote a document after 1966 year that is on the stacks of the Southern Oregon University Library (hence probably available on interlibrary loan) that was labeled something like;
Project Prometheus: Education for the Technocratic Age...or something similar.
Basically the idea was that change was continuous, but human capacity to deal with the conditions that exist are finite and limited by intelligence, perception, willingness to engage in efforts to alter existing conditions, and having enough political power (and hence money) to change the things perceived to be inappropriate to one's values.
As a person views the conditions that that person sees which annoy them enough to make them want to effect a change in the existing conditions, several controls are immediately operational. First, comes perception. A person must be able to and wanting to look at the conditions and the probable causes of that which is perceived. Obviously, those who have a greater capacity to perceive and have greater intelligence to analyze
[hence the Promethean effort to increase critical thinking)
will be more successful in effecting the changes in the conditions that they dislike. Please note that no one wants to change the things they like. So a society is always moved by the annoyed and not by the satisfied.
Secondly, intelligence and analysis are necessary in any attempt to successfully create new and more satisfying conditions. And that automatically implies a conflict between those who like and profit from existing conditions, and the satisfied are then pitted against the change agents (the dissatisfied).
If the perceptions are at least partially correct, and if the plan to alter existing conditions is even quasi valid, some conditions will be changed to some thing else. So the ability to plan, to plot and to amass both compadres and fiscal (usually) resources is necessary to create real change.
Let us assume that a change agent can make some of the changes sought. Then a whole new set of conditions have been created, and the whole process just described will occur (with a host of concerned others trying to erase the new conditions just created.
As change occurs faster and faster, fewer and fewer people can muster the vision, the distaste, and the skills necessary to act and enter this emotional and time consuming combat with existing conditions. Hence the Prometheus curriculum was focused on creating the attitudes necessary to handle change, an effort to create the coping classrooms that Tofler, the man who wrote Future Shock during the years Prometheus was operating, said did not exist (we read him after we put together the Promethean pattern of instruction that would foster the values needed and the attitudes needed by change agents).
We figured that while apathy and weariness would take their toll even on the people we taught, enough of you would continue to seek the changes you wanted.
The discussions on this forum indicate to me that we were successful. The diversity, the lack of uniformity of ideas (social or political) are exactly what we hoped the experience of Prometheus would bring. The faculty you had have been delighted with what you all have become...and we obviously were not the only persons to have had an impact on your lives, but we view the impact we may have had to be quite satisfactory.
Incidentally, Ron Lamb's dissertation about Prometheus is also in the library at Southern Oregon University and at Oregon State University. He found that in 1966, those there learned 1/9th of all they would ever know in literature, fine arts and social science. That in six weeks your ability to do critical thinking increase by at least five percent...a significant rise given that you were only there for six weeks.
We are convinced that your values changed and were enhanced but because no further research has been done on the last two years of Prometheus, we only have anecdotal evidence....and your current life experiences to validate our beliefs. Bob

03/13/09 02:55 PM #43 EDIT DELETE

Stacey Lynn

Thanks for the post, Bob. I just took one of your faculty members (my dad, John Smock) to a doctor's appointment this morning. He's doing quite well for an 85-year-old guy. One of the ways that he has always been a good teacher is by being a good example. He was both challenging and supportive as a teacher, as well as caring, and he remains intellectually active, for which I'm glad. Obviously you are too. What a pleasure!

03/17/09 12:05 AM #44 EDIT DELETE

Cabe Silverhame

So, Bob, this means I'm not actually a perpetual malcontent, with authority issues and a chronic intolerance for willful stupidity, but rather a noble change agent? Awesome!!